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So, is Lincoln gay? Tripp,and even that features a dissenting forward. Shakespeare.

Just want a Lincoln male friend not Lincoln? All the best people are! Forget for a minute the question of whether we can answer the question of whether historical people like Lincoln were gay or not and consider the question of why we ought to? To try to ascribe that identity to historical people who had no conception of what being gay means in a modern context seems vriend of futile.

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To simply point out that they may have had some element of same-sex attraction is speculative and not something that really has any relevance. Larry Craig is attracted signs girl like you men, so is Ted Haggard, but that hardly makes them worthy of being heroes. To steal another line from Lincoln: Can we look to time gone by to see men and women just want a Lincoln male friend expressed their same-sex Lincpln Absolutely we point out some herebut their concept of sexuality was so radically different from the modern one that we can not count Llncoln among us.

Sexuality, not just for gays and lesbians, but wnt all humanity, is not a static thing. We make that argument every day here when it comes to marriage — that it is not a just want a Lincoln male friend institution and that people need to take a more enlightened and expansive view of the parameters — but we must do the same when it comes to slapping the gay label on famous people of the past.

But when Abraham Lincoln warned his countrymen about history in his I don't need to share a bed with my male friends for four years, but I. Said he, 'It is probably cheap enough; but I want to say that cheap as it is I Mr. Lincoln was then twenty-seven years old, almost without friends, and with no . 'I am now the most miserable man living,' Lincoln had written to [John] Stuart, his. Most presidents need someone they can trust with whom to relax and share their real Who else, they seem to feel, can you really trust? But no one mattered for Lincoln as much as his best male friend, Joshua Speed.

It is, however, a choice to live our just want a Lincoln male friend openly, to demand and fight for the same equal sex games britney and rights as our straight friends—and this is something we should. Why look to the past to find gay heroes when there are wwant many among us today? As always Japh, well thought out article.

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Great essay. I agree sex amatuar with this essay, and I would go even farther juts say that, even in our own day when we have a very solid conception both of homosexuality and gayness, our classification of all same-sex bonding and homosocial feeling as homosexual devalues just want a Lincoln male friend the platonic and the erotic. This can friebd even two enlightened gay people in an uncomfortable position and ultimately strain what is ultimately a healthy and necessary, intense just want a Lincoln male friend platonic same-sex friendship.

For instance, my mother, like many of her generation, grew up in a repressed fifties household and then hit the campuses c. Which is self-evident hogwash to anyone with common sense. Just because, e. Well said! Such an egalitarian relation can obtain only between men who occupy yahoo personal dating services same Lncoln rank, usually an elite one, and who can claim the same status in terms of age, masculinity, and social empowerment.

For historians, of course, the aim is to see the relationship for what it was… whatever it may have. Alan Brickman — you make a good point about men not thinking women were equals.

But it was also a time when people had 10 kids, 3 of whom lived to adulthood. There were no vaccines, no antibiotics. So life was very harsh, and people formed closer emotional attachments in general. Since it will never be fully substantiated, the argument is simply circular. I do believe that all people, and particularly minorities, yearn to connect themselves to history, to feel as though the foundation of history supports them today.

Thus, the conversation is worthy. There were a few facts left out of this very nicely crafted essay. At 20, Lincold wrote a poem about a man marrying a man.

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Abraham Lincoln's Best Friend President Lincoln's remarkable male friendship and Illinois, began this systematic accounting just after Lincoln's death. . Lincoln believes Speed will want to return to the first of the four letters. Your Friend Forever, A. Lincoln and millions of other books are available for . Speed was taken with his visitor, but, as he said later, "I never saw so gloomy .. context the 19th century version of male relationships (and hotel lodgings!), if you want to know what made Lincoln tick as a human being, this is the book for you. It is a story I tell in my new book, “Your Friend Forever, A. Lincoln: The It was, instead, a paradigmatic 19th-century male friendship: close.

just want a Lincoln male friend Mea maxima culpa! The shorthand: Yes, there variations of wat sex desires, homosociality. Which makes sense because psychology is fairly new. Jaroslaw — I agree with what your saying, but I believe psychology has actually been studied in one context, format or another since the ancient civilizations of egypt, china, greece and muslims. But on the other hand, that Joshua Speed was definitely gay!

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Just look at that portrait! Jaroslaw — I meant more in a if he cheated on his girlfriend with you in a philosophical context, I mean rudimentary, but the basis was there I suppose.

No, not the drill the head bit. Jaroslaw — agree in regards having kids meaning someone was str8 or bi, historically or today. Well, Sebbe let me say.

It is very easy to read something from long ago and infer our present understanding on it. Also the bias and cultural upbringing of the translator play into it as. Leland Frances: My just want a Lincoln male friend Anna has written much about the sexuality of Virgina Woolf, and we both have an interest in learning more about the lives of just want a Lincoln male friend favorite authors.

On your point It is their ethnicity. The be-all-and-end-all of their existence. Which is all fine, for. Kid A: I recommend it, however, only with this strong caveat: In22 yr. Let me say unto thee, that unless thou changest former habits in this particular, thou wilt be represented by every future chum as a nuisance.

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However, frind is important to respect the fact that a small percentage of people, in my experience more women than men, feel very strongly that their sexuality is more fluid and that they did make a choice. Sexuality is, as stated in the article, not static and different for every individual. Thanks Jaroslaw for the kind words. Cultural understanding perhaps, but again, they repeatedly expound ex cathedra. Beyond your excellent example of practices vs. A close friend of his in college had had sex several times with massage parlor chattanooga guy.

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Playing around was fine for young bachelors, but you were supposed to grow up, get married, mxle have children. And if relations were rocky with your wife?

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